DYNAMIC BLOCKS!!!!

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Permalink Reply by iCADsales.com on July 8, 2009 at 5:13am

Perhaps for the $3500.00 you would save purchasing progeCAD instead of AutoCAD you could hire a programmer to build a dynamic blocks routine.

I think the feature set and very "AutoCAD Like" interface of progeCAD is by far preferred than the chinese CAD.

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Permalink Reply by Gaz on July 8, 2009 at 5:23am

Hello ICAD,

I use AutoCAD LT as I only do 2D draughting and if I need 3D then its SketchUp.

Believe it or not, but the Chinese clone is actually very good, better than they where a couple of years ago. One other thing "Both" titles above also have is a page setup dialog box in paper space/layout which is another must for me...

Gaz...

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Permalink Reply by iCADsales.com on July 8, 2009 at 5:57am

AutoCAD has made you lazy my friend, heheh. Yeah, page setup is a nice feature. progeCAD has real time visualization of the paper space, similar to looking at the paper, but many users find it difficult to create their drawings in ms and set them up in ps the "old fashioned way" (ie zoom xp or through the vport scale). It is the most confusing part of the process, and one that I believe should be addressed soon.
As for the "other" software, I was very impressed with the addition of ARX to Gstar. Have you used it or heard any reviews of it's quality?

Gaz said:

Hello ICAD,

I use AutoCAD LT as I only do 2D draughting and if I need 3D then its SketchUp.

Believe it or not, but the Chinese clone is actually very good, better than they where a couple of years ago. One other thing "Both" titles above also have is a page setup dialog box in paper space/layout which is another must for me...

Gaz...

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Permalink Reply by Daniel on July 8, 2009 at 7:16am

sorry to cut in .. About GstarCAD and ARX

I think the advertizing for ARX support in Gstar must be some sort of an error, Every time I read about this, I try out their latest demo, I send an email requesting the ARX SDK..no answer.IMO There is no support for ARX, there is no ARX SDK, only SDS. They do not use ARX or DRX modules in their own software. In fact from what I have seen its IC6.x stuff with a few goodies.
So far, Bricscad is the only platform that has stepped up to the plate with a modern API. Anyone from GStar care to comment?

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Permalink Reply by iCADsales.com on July 8, 2009 at 7:56am

It was my impression that ZwCAD was advertising that they had ARX as well earlier this year and no mention of it now. This is marketing through misdirection at its finest. People are quick to forget items like this and so companies can say whatever they please and unless a dogged journalist catches up with it and stays with the story they can get away with it.

Or, perhaps they just could not get it to work with the legacy code. Regardless, as for BricsCAD "stepping up to the plate", I believe that the team at the ITC is working harder than any team should have to trying to get the IntelliCAD 7 engine as perfect as they can before they unleash it upon the world. I for one am glad they are doing so. I do not want this big release to do an AutoCAD 13 on us. And it is actually a better strategy brand wise to wait until BricsCAD has those 150 developers all lined up ready to make those IntelliCAD 7 Applications! :-) How many are they up to now? looks like around 80, nice!

And BricsCAD would not be close to where they are now if not for things they learned while members of the ITC. A company who is exposed to source code for as many years as they were, who turns around and decides to build their own CAD application, has to have some unintentional plagiarism going on (not pirating code mind you, I am not claiming that). Put it this way, BricsCAD owes an awful lot to the expertise of those IntelliCAD developers who went before them. As for their platform, only time will tell. As I understand it that over the years they slowly have replaced pieces of the platform until they are close to replacing everything and cutting the cord with the ITC. However, that often leads to a product that is no different from the original architecturally and thus of inferior quality to one built entirely from scratch with new minds and thinking involved.

I do like Erik though and wish them the best and am glad there is one more soldier out there smacking the arrogance out of Autodesk.

Daniel said:

sorry to cut in .. About GstarCAD and ARX

I think the advertizing for ARX support in Gstar must be some sort of an error, Every time I read about this, I try out their latest demo, I send an email requesting the ARX SDK..no answer.IMO There is no support for ARX, there is no ARX SDK, only SDS. They do not use ARX or DRX modules in their own software. In fact from what I have seen its IC6.x stuff with a few goodies.
So far, Bricscad is the only platform that has stepped up to the plate with a modern API. Anyone from GStar care to comment?

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Permalink Reply by Damian Harkin on July 22, 2009 at 12:43pm

I'd just like to challenge your comment about plagiarism. Maybe you'd like to retract that? I don't think you can hide behind weasel words like 'unintentional'. I know Bricsys are diligent about this issue.

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Permalink Reply by Algol on July 22, 2009 at 12:54pm

gstar are preparing the grx public beta in August. So you'll see it by yourself soon. :)

Daniel said:

sorry to cut in .. About GstarCAD and ARX

I think the advertizing for ARX support in Gstar must be some sort of an error, Every time I read about this, I try out their latest demo, I send an email requesting the ARX SDK..no answer.IMO There is no support for ARX, there is no ARX SDK, only SDS. They do not use ARX or DRX modules in their own software. In fact from what I have seen its IC6.x stuff with a few goodies.
So far, Bricscad is the only platform that has stepped up to the plate with a modern API. Anyone from GStar care to comment?

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Permalink Reply by iCADsales.com on July 22, 2009 at 4:26pm

"I'd just like to challenge your comment about plagiarism. Maybe you'd like to retract that? I don't think you can hide behind weasel words like 'unintentional'. I know Bricsys are diligent about this issue."
Hide behind words like unintentional? Weasel words?

So you really didn't read the statement I made closely...

I said exactly what I meant. Their programmers benefited greatly by working on the IntelliCAD code for years before they started breaking off their own version and unless Bricsys hired all new programmers specifically for the new product and locked them in a room without access to any iCAD source code they had prior knowledge of how to write the routines they developed. Are they breaking any laws or being intentional thieves? No, but I didn't express that they were, now did I?

Diligent as they are they can not unlearn what has already learned. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming...

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Permalink Reply by Damian Harkin on July 23, 2009 at 4:30am

Bricsys didn't cut any corners (http://www.intellicad.net/main/search/search?q=automated).
The Intellicad 6 code needed to be replaced, not copied (http://www.deelip.com/2008/10/intellicad-world-meeting-day-1-sessio...).
These are decent, careful, professional people like you and me. You're trying to smear them, with zero evidence - why else use the word 'plagiarism'? I think you should apologise.

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Permalink Reply by iCADsales.com on July 23, 2009 at 5:25am

Dude I am not trying to "smear" them. I hold their crew in the utmost regard. The statements I made are fact and there is nothing incorrect or indicting in them.

Back in the day I used to help develop a popular Architectural Application before Autodesk decided they didn't need their third party developer network. We had one of the lead programmers leave the firm and go to work for Autodesk.

How did their product change during the first year of his employ with them? Several of the routines had been redone, new options appeared, and stability improved. Was this just a coincidence or did this particular programmer learn a better way while part of our team. Did he then devise solutions that were either similar or better than ours? Did he do anything wrong? No, he was being paid for his knowledge and part of that knowledge was the education he received working with us.

Apologize, no. Perhaps the word was too strong, but it was combined with another word that you refuse to include in the statement because you think it a weasel word(?) (or you simply want to think your point of view is correct and are twisting it to suit your own agenda. But you wouldn't do that would you?). Practice saying the entire statement as one, "Unintentional Plagiarism". Go ahead you can do it. Say it with me now, "UNINTENTIONAL plagiarism". Now, from now on, to be a fair and balanced debater, the words have to be used together for to not do so would be giving an incorrect accounting of the statement and intentionally trying to portray the statement in a dishonest recounting.

Now... back to the show!



Damian Harkin said:

Bricsys didn't cut any corners (http://www.intellicad.net/main/search/search?q=automated).
The Intellicad 6 code needed to be replaced, not copied (http://www.deelip.com/2008/10/intellicad-world-meeting-day-1-sessio...).
These are decent, careful, professional people like you and me. You're trying to smear them, with zero evidence - why else use the word 'plagiarism'? I think you should apologise.

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Permalink Reply by Daniel on July 28, 2009 at 4:47pm

"gstar are preparing the grx public beta in August. So you'll see it by yourself soon. :)"

Great! I look forward to testing it. thanks for your reply

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